Betting on Myself
What changes when you stop working for an institution and start working for yourself?
Joy Chik and Liat Ben-Zur explore the shift from a big title and a built-in structure to creating the work, making the call, and owning the outcome under your own name. For experienced leaders, the expected next move is often another big role. This conversation asks what it takes to choose differently.
Liat is an AI advisor and board director, and the author of The Bias Advantage: How Unconventional Leaders Gain Power in an AI-Driven World. She and Joy worked together at Microsoft, including on the push toward a passwordless future. Liat's path had no single aha moment. She followed a problem she cared about until working for herself became the way to do more of it.
Together, Joy and Liat unpack the invisible structure a large company quietly provides, what it takes to decide what deserves your time when no one tells you, and why you do not need a master plan to build the next chapter.
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